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marktodd
  Posted: January 24, 2006 09:34 pm
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I just came accross the term ad novum and I do not have a clue what it means (see page 28 line 12 of reader 1) I have used the glossary supplied with the course, a law dictionary, the oxford dictionary, and a latin phrase book. I even tried google. My best guess is that it may mean "from new" as novus seems to mean new. Any ideas? sad.gif
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Kellie
  Posted: January 24, 2006 10:10 pm
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Hi Mark,

Just did quick search and this is what i found so far.

\No"vum\, n. A game at dice, properly called novem quinque (L., nine five), the two principal throws being nine and five. [Obs.] --Shak.


Haven't had opportunity to start reading yet as finishing Y157, but hope this helps or even makes a little sense!
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marktodd
Posted: January 24, 2006 10:42 pm
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NovEm does mean nine but it doesn't seem to fit into the sentence, I think NovUm may be a derivative of Novus (new) it reads "Since the overwhelming majority of Bills are introduced by the executive, the legislative task of parliament is usually not to draft legislation ad novum". Ad seems to mean: to this, to an, to the, in the or at the. I think latin within law should be replaced with another dying language instead, I would like to suggest Cockney as a suitable alternative. The "thin skull rule" could be renamed "the dicky barnet rule". biggrin.gif
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Posted: January 24, 2006 11:12 pm
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"the legislative task of parliament is usually not to draft legislation ad novum, but to examine and improve government's proposals".

I've been thinking about this and really one could interpret it in several ways and yet it can mean anything, however I am familiar with the word ' ad nauseam' which is apparently known to English language( not in a million years) and means if someone talks ad nauseam they talk about it so much that it becomes very boring, it becomes ad nauseam.

This is when WE ad nauseam for sure.

Drafting legislation ad novum can only mean drafting new legislation all the time not improving the existing one, some words you just have to guess , that's how I've learnt English laugh.gif

That's my guess guys.
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marktodd
Posted: January 25, 2006 02:26 pm
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If studying law at A level taught me one thing it was that before an interpretation to a piece of text can be given one must first decipher the language that the author has chosen to use. I am keen not to pin meanings to phrases based on assumption; for instance, ad nauseam means to the point of disgust or revulsion. I am finding that by dissecting the readings and rewriting them in a form that I find to be more palatable I am better able to understand what information the author wished to convey.
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Rich
Posted: January 25, 2006 03:14 pm
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I am inclined to agree with "from new", althought ad dos'nt mean from. I think that this will not be the last Latin phrase to stump us, but what do I know? ph34r.gif
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Branes
Posted: January 25, 2006 06:01 pm
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QUOTE (marktodd @ Jan 25 2006, 02:26 PM)
If studying law at A level taught me one thing it was that before an interpretation to a piece of text can be given one must first decipher the language that the author has chosen to use. I am keen not to pin meanings to phrases based on assumption; for instance, ad nauseam means to the point of disgust or revulsion. I am finding that by dissecting the readings and rewriting them in a form that I find to be more palatable I am better able to understand what information the author  wished to convey.


Of course you're right I was only joking , however " ad novaum" by the way does mean anew as far as I can remember my Latin which is quite similar to my first language. But I may be wrong.
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marktodd
Posted: January 26, 2006 08:39 am
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What's your first language Brains? This OU lark is fantastic for meeting people from all over the place.
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Lee
Posted: January 28, 2006 11:49 pm
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Hi just to let you know that I have used www.ask.co.uk and it seems that it means 'from scratch'

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marktodd
Posted: January 29, 2006 08:12 pm
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Thanks lee, i'll have to add ask.co.uk to my favourites I think biggrin.gif
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Posted: January 30, 2006 05:23 pm
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You can also text them, very useful for pub quizzes although it is £1 per search biggrin.gif


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Posted: January 30, 2006 05:43 pm
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also useful for law exams (and definitely worth the money)
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Posted: February 04, 2006 11:03 am
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..... " Nemo Dat Quon Non Habet" - " You cannot give what you do not have"
( a tremendous excuse for non preparation of tutorials due to general weight of work, etc; also of particular use in the law of contract!!) biggrin.gif
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